2L 8v mp9 idling problem
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2L 8v mp9 idling problem
A friend of mine says so five times a month his caddy with 2l 8v mp9 with 276 cam an polocup ecu the idling goes crazy the car idles hire then next its very low then he must disconnect the battery to reset the ecu then the idling is normal again, what could cause this problem?
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
mp9 + cam is always an issue, The idle motor takes huge strain. He'll most likely have to change the throttlebody soon. In the mean time drill a 3 mm hole into the throttle plate and see if it helps. Also get the throttle body recalibrated and faults cleared.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Sorry but I have someone with same problem! std 2.0 x-flow in a polo running mp9, Car idles at 1500 all the time. changed map sensor, TB, and calibration done and cleared faults. He has a plastic in take so we pulled it off and made sure it was sealed everywhere, found a little hole and sealed it shut still keeps revs high. driven it for about 60km and nothing changed. Also car is quite heavy on fuel, +/- 400km to a tank.
It had a 272 cam in after removing it and putting a std map on ecu this problem accured.
It had a 272 cam in after removing it and putting a std map on ecu this problem accured.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
It could be a whole host of issues or one simple issue ..CRASH_IT wrote:Sorry but I have someone with same problem! std 2.0 x-flow in a polo running mp9, Car idles at 1500 all the time. changed map sensor, TB, and calibration done and cleared faults. He has a plastic in take so we pulled it off and made sure it was sealed everywhere, found a little hole and sealed it shut still keeps revs high. driven it for about 60km and nothing changed. Also car is quite heavy on fuel, +/- 400km to a tank.
It had a 272 cam in after removing it and putting a std map on ecu this problem accured.
Easy to sort out if the car is in hand tho .
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Could you list a few to look for?pluto wrote:It could be a whole host of issues or one simple issue ..CRASH_IT wrote:Sorry but I have someone with same problem! std 2.0 x-flow in a polo running mp9, Car idles at 1500 all the time. changed map sensor, TB, and calibration done and cleared faults. He has a plastic in take so we pulled it off and made sure it was sealed everywhere, found a little hole and sealed it shut still keeps revs high. driven it for about 60km and nothing changed. Also car is quite heavy on fuel, +/- 400km to a tank.
It had a 272 cam in after removing it and putting a std map on ecu this problem accured.
Easy to sort out if the car is in hand tho .
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Faulty throttle for starters, leak on intake manifold or where intake manifold bolts onto head oar throttle body, possibly even a leak on the throttle body, faulty water temp sender unit, i dont know if car has a warmer valve/diferter valve fitted, but this can cause the same symptoms.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
I'm running the same ecu it happens to me about twice a month an then I just take terminals off an put back again. Its not the TB though as I don't use tps mines plugged out an I use a idle screw..
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Hi benito,i can run a vag com scan on ya buddy's car which+wil+point him in right direction and do the calibration.my number is 0834153072 or mail me grant@syntell.netBenitovw wrote:A friend of mine says so five times a month his caddy with 2l 8v mp9 with 276 cam an polocup ecu the idling goes crazy the car idles hire then next its very low then he must disconnect the battery to reset the ecu then the idling is normal again, what could cause this problem?
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
You sure a hole wasn't drilled in the TB to aid idling when it still had the cam in?CRASH_IT wrote:Sorry but I have someone with same problem! std 2.0 x-flow in a polo running mp9, Car idles at 1500 all the time. changed map sensor, TB, and calibration done and cleared faults. He has a plastic in take so we pulled it off and made sure it was sealed everywhere, found a little hole and sealed it shut still keeps revs high. driven it for about 60km and nothing changed. Also car is quite heavy on fuel, +/- 400km to a tank.
It had a 272 cam in after removing it and putting a std map on ecu this problem accured.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
I checked for that and also put another TB that I had onto car. Same problem!
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Did you have the new TB adapted? Might be that the ecu didn't notice the new TB.
But this is starting to sound more like a vacuum leak. Put your hand infront of the tb and if it doesn't suck very hard, then theres a leak.
It will keep idling as it is now if you block the tb
But this is starting to sound more like a vacuum leak. Put your hand infront of the tb and if it doesn't suck very hard, then theres a leak.
It will keep idling as it is now if you block the tb
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Could also be totally different like a broken wire in the harness to the TB.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Ditto, see attached thread - he found two broken wires when he traced out his wiring harness using the diagram:panic-mechanic wrote:Could also be totally different like a broken wire in the harness to the TB.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Like I said a scan will answer all just let me know.also like amstle said you can't just swap tb's without adaption but then again could be the faulty wires
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poloplayaWP wrote:Like I said a scan will answer all just let me know.also like amstle said you can't just swap tb's without adaption but then again could be the faulty wires
Nope , scan's tell you jack squat sometimes .Just depends on the level of hardware and the functionality of the ECU.
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Yup. Very few managements can or does test anything on the output side of things. Mp9 certainly check almost nothing on the outputs.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
It will how ever give you an error when connecting to the throttle body if there was a faulty cable in the loom or plug.panic-mechanic wrote:Yup. Very few managements can or does test anything on the output side of things. Mp9 certainly check almost nothing on the outputs.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
You will still not know if it is a dead TB or a broken wire......
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
No , not always. It depends which input or out put is measured to checked for a timed response.poloplayaWP wrote:It will how ever give you an error when connecting to the throttle body if there was a faulty cable in the loom or plug.panic-mechanic wrote:Yup. Very few managements can or does test anything on the output side of things. Mp9 certainly check almost nothing on the outputs.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
Hi, there is couple of things that might be causing this. I once had the same problem with one of my customers. The idling was bad and the TB could not be adapted. Only to find out that an accelerator cable adjustment was too tight on the TB. I had to loosen it a bit so that the TPS motor can run a test on the TB when you switch on the engine and that is an ADP RUN. Then i could run an Adaptation and the problem was resolved. But clear all the errors first so that new errors could be registered.
If the above is not an issue he needs to go to Engine adaption before doing anything to monitor TB angle and manifold pressure, enter 00 then save the adaption to reset all the engine devices to the defaults. Then measure groups. He should check the TB angle. I think on idle it should be on +-6 degrees and it should show 880 or 920 rpm which is normal on MP9. Then he should also check the manifold pressure if it is on the same level. I can’t remember the actual value on the pressure as it depends on the engine size.
Let the car idle until the cooling fan turns. Groups to monitor this shoud be between 0 and 20. The timing angle should read 6.5 degrees. Rev the engine and check if the TB angle will go down to the right idling degrees. Also monitor the manifold pressure to check if it will rise and go back to the right idling manifold pressure. If the manifold pressure is giving you different values it might be a leak or the throttle body. If the TB angles are changing constatly it should also be changed. Run TB adaption to see if it will fail before changing the TB. Also monitor inlet manifold temperature and the coolant temperature. TB adaptation adaptation group is 98 on MP9 and 60 on most newer cars.
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If the above is not an issue he needs to go to Engine adaption before doing anything to monitor TB angle and manifold pressure, enter 00 then save the adaption to reset all the engine devices to the defaults. Then measure groups. He should check the TB angle. I think on idle it should be on +-6 degrees and it should show 880 or 920 rpm which is normal on MP9. Then he should also check the manifold pressure if it is on the same level. I can’t remember the actual value on the pressure as it depends on the engine size.
Let the car idle until the cooling fan turns. Groups to monitor this shoud be between 0 and 20. The timing angle should read 6.5 degrees. Rev the engine and check if the TB angle will go down to the right idling degrees. Also monitor the manifold pressure to check if it will rise and go back to the right idling manifold pressure. If the manifold pressure is giving you different values it might be a leak or the throttle body. If the TB angles are changing constatly it should also be changed. Run TB adaption to see if it will fail before changing the TB. Also monitor inlet manifold temperature and the coolant temperature. TB adaptation adaptation group is 98 on MP9 and 60 on most newer cars.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
This is exactly what I would have done.Baldwin02002 wrote:
Let the car idle until the cooling fan turns. Groups to monitor this shoud be between 0 and 20. The timing angle should read 6.5 degrees. Rev the engine and check if the TB angle will go down to the right idling degrees. Also monitor the manifold pressure to check if it will rise and go back to the right idling manifold pressure. If the manifold pressure is giving you different values it might be a leak or the throttle body. If the TB angles are changing constatly it should also be changed. Run TB adaption to see if it will fail before changing the TB. Also monitor inlet manifold temperature and the coolant temperature. TB adaptation adaptation group is 98 on MP9 and 60 on most newer cars.
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Re: 2L 8v mp9 idling problem
where does one get more of those group codes i.e coolant temp, intake temp etc
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.ph ... ault_CodesUDC wrote:where does one get more of those group codes i.e coolant temp, intake temp etc
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