New Focus ST vs GTI 7 perfomance

[Hotdubz]

^ Durban "stock"

Nope, Audi stock. Seriously, nothing has been done to the car.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ruan9n]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

[Hoosier Daddy]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

That's wkw as well

[Slowboat]

what does each gear change on a manual car cost on a 1/4m maybe 0.3-0.5 of a Sec of which most cars do around 3 changes

I wish it was 0.3-0.5sec on my car.
The G-Tech readings from my manual Golf 5 GTI with the GT2860RS turbo on at that time at Tarlton a few years back. Lost over 2 seconds of power in the three gear changes during the 1/4mile run.




Its not just how fast you can change gears, it is also how fast the power comes back after the gear change.

[NeoSA]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

Don't cars make a little more wkw down in DBN as opposed to up here in JHB? I know NA cars definitely do, but I believe even turbo'ed cars benefit from the lowered altitude. Good to know my car makes about 20wkw more than a stock 7 GTi

[VW POLOTIC]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

That's wkw as well

And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.

I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!

Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.

[NeoSA]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

That's wkw as well

And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.

I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!

Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.

As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Ratio's are why we are faster, straight line that is.
XDS is why we are quick when things aren't straight anymore.

/thread

[SemiColon]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

That's wkw as well

And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.

I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!

Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.

As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.

You are not listening.

132kw PGTI-168whp
166kw ST - 190whp
184kw ST - 195whp
162kw GTI7-227whp
205kw OPC- 243whp

Same Dyno, same day. Do you see the GTI7? do you? wait let me make it bold.

[NeoSA]

That's wkw as well

And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.

I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!

Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.

As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.

You are not listening.

132kw PGTI-168whp
166kw ST - 190whp
184kw ST - 195whp
162kw GTI7-227whp
205kw OPC- 243whp

Same Dyno, same day. Do you see the GTI7? do you? wait let me make it bold.

Okay, okay, I concede. Engineering has f'all to do with it. VW has the kakkest suspension systems in the World, but they completely misquote their kW figures and actually make more power than the sun. In fact, adding software on any VW actually lowers the power.

[jippo]

On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!

That's wkw as well

And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.

I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!

Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.

As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.

Because the VWs make more power at the wheels -AKA, they aren't actually less powerful. I think we got to that already

[MouseGTI]

Butthurt?

sent with small tehbo

[NeoSA]

You guys keep going on about power differences on the Dyno as if that's the law. Please explain to me how a Lumina SS (2007 model) that makes a metric KAK-HUIS more power than my car on a dyno struggles to pass me on a quarter mile stretch?

The answer is traction and suspension, but feel free to overlook that.

[NeoSA]

Butthurt?

sent with small tehbo

Your contribution is humbling. Wow.

[MouseGTI]

I do try

sent with small tehbo

[jippo]

You guys keep going on about power differences on the Dyno as if that's the law. Please explain to me how a Lumina SS (2007 model) that makes a metric KAK-HUIS more power than my car on a dyno struggles to pass me on a quarter mile stretch?

The answer is traction and suspension, but feel free to overlook that.

Yes traction plays a big part. Nobody denies that. You're denying that power at the wheels matters.
Look at the exit speeds of the Lumina and you will see that after 400m it will tear past you.

[NeoSA]

I'm not denying that power at the wheels matter. What I am saying is that I've witnessed first hand that VAG cars seem to be able to put power down better than their competition. That's why, even when the competition does have more power at the wheels, you'd still see the VAG car come out front robot-to-robot or during daily driving due to superior systems that put the power down. It's my opinion that the added 2-5kW you see on the dyno is not the key to why VAG cars perform better.

Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.

[SemiColon]

You guys keep going on about power differences on the Dyno as if that's the law. Please explain to me how a Lumina SS (2007 model) that makes a metric KAK-HUIS more power than my car on a dyno struggles to pass me on a quarter mile stretch?

The answer is traction and suspension, but feel free to overlook that.

Weight, gearing, traction

[NeoSA]

This conversations is way too technical for a Monday, plus, I've just had a root canal. So let's say that VW's are faster because Race Car.

[SemiColon]

Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.

Why would you detune a GTI?

[NeoSA]

Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.

Why would you detune a GTI?

LMAO. well played.

[Tidy]

Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.

Why would you detune a GTI?

LMAO. well played.

both cars can make the exact same power but their torque/kw curve can be totally different??

[PoLonY]

Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.

Why would you detune a GTI?

LMAO. well played.

both cars can make the exact same power but their torque/kw curve can be totally different??

too
many
variables

[Zubair]

My head hurts... Neo you over think things when almost everyone here has tried to explain the same thing to you repeatedly it still goes over your head?

[Jueshen]

what does each gear change on a manual car cost on a 1/4m maybe 0.3-0.5 of a Sec of which most cars do around 3 changes

I wish it was 0.3-0.5sec on my car.
The G-Tech readings from my manual Golf 5 GTI with the GT2860RS turbo on at that time at Tarlton a few years back. Lost over 2 seconds of power in the three gear changes during the 1/4mile run.




Its not just how fast you can change gears, it is also how fast the power comes back after the gear change.

think a wotbox will help u lots...
NLS and you always stay on boost...