Amarok TSI oil consumption issues

[arcangeljhb]

HI guys

I wonder if anyone can help

I have a 2012 amarok Tsi. 135000km on the clock. Had the car since new and been serviced on time every 15000km since new. In the last 6 months ive noticed oil usage which up until then the bakkie hadn't used a drop of oil. I check weekly

I took the bakkie in to SAC and they checked and found low compression when they did a compression test and gave me a ball park figure of 75K to rebuild. Bearing in mind book value on the bakkie is 105000 at the moment i cant justify that.

Any recommendations where else i can take the bakkie to for a quote and secondly is it normal for rings rings to be gone so soon? I wouldnt exactly classify 135000km as high mileage. What would cause them to go?

Im based in the Benoni

Many thanks

Any advise is welcome

[Jetta2]

SAC..... there is your problem.

Contact Panic Mechanic on the forum and take the Amarok to him so he can check it out. He is in Benoni.

[PoloB]

Common problem on Amarok TSI, Get rid of it!!!! Its a money pit and will cost you a lot more in the long run

[Pik Sooter]

Trade it for the 2.0TDI or the 3.0TDI.. No such problems boss.

[panic-mechanic]

so he should pawn it off on some unsuspecting dealer or person at this stage while it is broken. Nice !!!
You are looking at around R40k depending on how bad it's damaged at this stage.

[PoloB]

so he should pawn it off on some unsuspecting dealer or person at this stage while it is broken. Nice !!!
You are looking at around R40k depending on how bad it's damaged at this stage.

Did not suggest selling it to someone else broken, Just told him the facts the TSI has this problem all round on amarok (Read up on 4x4 forums lots of people complaining of same problem same motor). Spending the cash to fix it is only a temporary solution as the tend to do this again and again.

Let's just say you see this a lot on tsi amaroks (golfs & polo gti's) and there is no permanent solution to this problem other than getting rid of the thing unless you like spending 40-70k every 5-7 years on repairs

[panic-mechanic]

If you are doing a rebuild and it does it again and again you are doing it wrong.
You put in proper pistons - we use wossner with a lower CR and a thicker are between the two ring landings and I have not had to rebuild one again.

[mueneni12]

So is the TSi engine problematic then? I thought these issues where only with Golf 6's?

[Titleists]

What is the technical cause of this problem?

[panic-mechanic]

Same basic engine so same basic issue. Discussed to death and everybody has their own opinion. Mine is too high compression plus boost for our fuels.
golf 5, 6 , polo, tiguan, audi - everywhere you see a TSI or TFSI badge.

[THANAS]

Same basic engine so same basic issue. Discussed to death and everybody has their own opinion. Mine is too high compression plus boost for our fuels.
golf 5, 6 , polo, tiguan, audi - everywhere you see a TSI or TFSI badge.

Coupled with DI and very optimistic AFRs, it's a wonderful LSPI cocktail.

[Titleists]

Is it too high compression from the factory? Why does it take 130 000km to stick it's head out and not sooner?

What has changed on the EA 888 Gen 3 motor?

[panic-mechanic]

high Compression and high pressure lean running and high temp cocktail is just too much for 95. It's probably perfectly Ok on 98 or the stuff they get in germany. The damage looks like pretty much standard knock related piston deaths. Change the piston. Lower CR and they seem to live quite happily. Immediately they pull no more timing and happiness is.
if you keep rebuilding with stock pistons then you are into that thing that is the definition of insanity.
You know - keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.....

[panic-mechanic]

What has changed on the EA 888 Gen 3 motor?

Extra set of injectors, lower compression. But I have also rebuilt some of those already.

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=119

[Titleists]

What has changed on the EA 888 Gen 3 motor?

Extra set of injectors, lower compression. But I have also rebuilt some of those already.

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=119

Thanks, so I assume carbon build-up on the valves are less on the Gen 3?

[panic-mechanic]

Much much less. That issue Is basically sorted and always was less of a problem than the people that does the cleaning would make you believe.

[missioner]

Nice to know.

Who supplies you your pistons?

[panic-mechanic]

It's a state secret dude... How can you ask a man that...




























Karl Stegman - KS motorsport
https://ksmotorsport.co.za/

[GB9]

What has changed on the EA 888 Gen 3 motor?

Extra set of injectors, lower compression. But I have also rebuilt some of those already.

http://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=119

Panic, would you recommend running octane booster on the EA 888 Gen 3 to try ward off this issue? Or is that only a consideration when the tuning starts? Take away the cost implication and the possible spark plug issues that arise.

[panic-mechanic]

It is going to cost a fortune and be a MAJOR pain in the ass to run octane boosters all the time. i also don't really have a good opinion of bottle octane boosters but that is a personal thing so it really is your choice.
Funnily enough - with some stage 1 or so maps on many of them last just fine because the first thing most of them do is make it a lot richer which already helps. And NO I'm not saying everybody shoul immediately storm out and map their tsi / tfsi car. Statistically speaking it does not look like it does worse for breakages is all I'm saying.

[GB9]

It is going to cost a fortune and be a MAJOR pain in the ass to run octane boosters all the time. i also don't really have a good opinion of bottle octane boosters but that is a personal thing so it really is your choice.
Funnily enough - with some stage 1 or so maps on many of them last just fine because the first thing most of them do is make it a lot richer which already helps. And NO I'm not saying everybody shoul immediately storm out and map their tsi / tfsi car. Statistically speaking it does not look like it does worse for breakages is all I'm saying.

Thanks for the response. I do believe it's time to get that stage 1 tune tho. These quattro cars need a bit more mid-range oomph.