2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
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2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Hi guys, I've recently acquired a 16valve KR head from a friend of mine. the head came complete with cams and Manifolds, I am currently working on a golf MK2 and I would like to fit this head on to a 2.0 ADY/2E/AGG Sub-assembly and Run it with an aftermarket EMU. I have done some research on the forum and to my understanding the head will be a direct fit on the block, no modification should be done to head for it to fit, the 8valve pistons have to be decked by 5mm or so to for valve clearance and the 8v distributor should not be removed from the block since it runs the oil pump on the 8V block, here are some things I would like to know about this conversion:
1. Since the 16v Head did not come with any of the pulleys from the KR Block will the 2E block’s pulleys work fine with this head without any modification. If not what should be done to the pulleys to accommodate this head?
2. Since I'll be running EFI which fuel rail would be best to use on the Head, where can I get one at a reasonable price? Will the OEM (MP9) Injectors work perfectly with the 16V head or should I opt for bigger injectors for better performance?
3. Which head gasket would be best for the conversion?
4.I have also read on the forum that the 210mm spring centered copper clutch is the best clutch to use on a high revving motor with the FFZ gearbox, I would like to know how much am I looking at for the clutch and where can I get it from I'm based in Kempton Park.
Please feel free to advice on any other thing that needs to be done to the Head/Block to make this conversion work.
Many thanks
Metja
1. Since the 16v Head did not come with any of the pulleys from the KR Block will the 2E block’s pulleys work fine with this head without any modification. If not what should be done to the pulleys to accommodate this head?
2. Since I'll be running EFI which fuel rail would be best to use on the Head, where can I get one at a reasonable price? Will the OEM (MP9) Injectors work perfectly with the 16V head or should I opt for bigger injectors for better performance?
3. Which head gasket would be best for the conversion?
4.I have also read on the forum that the 210mm spring centered copper clutch is the best clutch to use on a high revving motor with the FFZ gearbox, I would like to know how much am I looking at for the clutch and where can I get it from I'm based in Kempton Park.
Please feel free to advice on any other thing that needs to be done to the Head/Block to make this conversion work.
Many thanks
Metja
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
i think with the 2E block and 16v head the CR will be 8.5 it's very low to go N.A
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
If you want to stay NA you'll need a set of 2.0 16v pistons.
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Thanks guys.
Which 2.0 16v Pistons would be suitable for the application between the 9A pistons and the ABF or are the 16 valve pistons all the same? Do you guys know by any chance how much I may be looking at for a set of 2.0 16 valve pistons?
Which 2.0 16v Pistons would be suitable for the application between the 9A pistons and the ABF or are the 16 valve pistons all the same? Do you guys know by any chance how much I may be looking at for a set of 2.0 16 valve pistons?
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
New? Around R5k for the set.
Better you either sell that lot and buy an ABF or turbo it
Better you either sell that lot and buy an ABF or turbo it
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
5k for a set of pistons is just not worth it.
Have to look around for a cheaper set.
Have to look around for a cheaper set.
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
You can use Nissan or Bmw pistons
Mazda Astina pistons will fit in a short block 9A/KR
Corrected.......
Mazda Astina pistons will fit in a short block 9A/KR
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Yes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...Donavan wrote:U can use 1800 mazda astina pistons or nissan piston or even bmw ones.
Current rides:
VW Golf - 83 GT 2.1 16V 2-door with throttles
VW Golf - 78 LS 2.0 8V 4-door (2.1 ABF with throttles in progress)
VW Golf - '08 Citi Storm - 1.4 for now
Hyundai - 1.4 Getz (daily)
VW Golf - 83 GT 2.1 16V 2-door with throttles
VW Golf - 78 LS 2.0 8V 4-door (2.1 ABF with throttles in progress)
VW Golf - '08 Citi Storm - 1.4 for now
Hyundai - 1.4 Getz (daily)
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
AwesomeYes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...
How much do these usually go for?U can use 1800 mazda astina
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I corrected my post... sorry. The Mazda ones will fit a short block motor.KID'K wrote:AwesomeYes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...
How much do these usually go for?U can use 1800 mazda astina
Use either BMW 323 pistons (correct me if I am wrong, might be the 328 pistons)
Nissan pistons would be the SR20 or 18 pistons.
Try and do some research and compare the overall sizes.
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Are these from the E30 or E36 BMW?Use either BMW 323 pistons
Will both Nissan and BMW Pistons work with the standard 2E conrords or will I have to source specific conrods?
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
e36
just make sure that the wrist pin diameters is the same, should be 21 iirc
just make sure that the wrist pin diameters is the same, should be 21 iirc
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Thanks Guys . I will check both the Nissan and BMW Pistons.
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Yes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...
A quick question, what was your Compression ratio reading with the Above Pistons compared to the standard ABF which is 10.5:1?Use either BMW 323 pistons
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In my case it's a bit more complicated as I'm running a TDi crank and 84mm Nissan pistons, my c/r comes to 10.7:1. I don't know which Nissan piston Sarel used, I know it's one that comes standard with ceramic coating.KID'K wrote:Yes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...A quick question, what was your Compression ratio reading with the Above Pistons compared to the standard ABF which is 10.5:1?Use either BMW 323 pistons
Current rides:
VW Golf - 83 GT 2.1 16V 2-door with throttles
VW Golf - 78 LS 2.0 8V 4-door (2.1 ABF with throttles in progress)
VW Golf - '08 Citi Storm - 1.4 for now
Hyundai - 1.4 Getz (daily)
VW Golf - 83 GT 2.1 16V 2-door with throttles
VW Golf - 78 LS 2.0 8V 4-door (2.1 ABF with throttles in progress)
VW Golf - '08 Citi Storm - 1.4 for now
Hyundai - 1.4 Getz (daily)
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Flip, that MK1 must be one hell of ghost to catch.a TDi crank and 84mm Nissan pistons, my c/r comes to 10.7:1.
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Torker you using the CA 20 piston ,its semi forged. I'm currently using the Nissan CA18 which is domed.
If i should do it all over again I will go with CA20 option or BMW piston.
If i should do it all over again I will go with CA20 option or BMW piston.
Torker wrote:In my case it's a bit more complicated as I'm running a TDi crank and 84mm Nissan pistons, my c/r comes to 10.7:1. I don't know which Nissan piston Sarel used, I know it's one that comes standard with ceramic coating.KID'K wrote:Yes, I've got Nissan pistons in my ABF...A quick question, what was your Compression ratio reading with the Above Pistons compared to the standard ABF which is 10.5:1?Use either BMW 323 pistons
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
Hi All,
Thank you for the advice. After intense budgeting and saving I have managed to source the following for this build:
* 16V KR head with oil pump, Auxiliary shaft with pulley and crank shaft pulley. (I am planning on keeping the cylinder head standard for now - No head-work and cams to be done)
* Toyota 43mm RXI throttles with 8 valve performance RXI to VW throttle body adapter
* Complete 2.0 ADY Sub Assembly with 210mm flywheel & clutch setup and a VW 020 AEN gearbox.
I am looking at fitting the nissan CA18 Turbo or CA20 DET standard pistons I think the standard bore for the CA 18 is 83mm IIRC, besides re-boring the block to 83mm and ensuring the wrist pin of the piston is 21mm (same size as the ADY con-rods). Please advise what else needs to be done for this build to be a success.
I remember going through some older posts where Torker mentioned that the block will have to be decked and I was also looking at the CA18 turbo pistons, they look a bit flat topped compared to the original VW 16v pistons. Do these pistons need to be machined in order to clear the valves or will they clear without any modifications to them too?
Please feel free to advice on any other engineering work that needs to be done on the block and pistons to fit the 16V head. Please also note that I am looking at building a mild 16V daily with throttles and not a full on race car.
Thank you for the advice. After intense budgeting and saving I have managed to source the following for this build:
* 16V KR head with oil pump, Auxiliary shaft with pulley and crank shaft pulley. (I am planning on keeping the cylinder head standard for now - No head-work and cams to be done)
* Toyota 43mm RXI throttles with 8 valve performance RXI to VW throttle body adapter
* Complete 2.0 ADY Sub Assembly with 210mm flywheel & clutch setup and a VW 020 AEN gearbox.
I am looking at fitting the nissan CA18 Turbo or CA20 DET standard pistons I think the standard bore for the CA 18 is 83mm IIRC, besides re-boring the block to 83mm and ensuring the wrist pin of the piston is 21mm (same size as the ADY con-rods). Please advise what else needs to be done for this build to be a success.
I remember going through some older posts where Torker mentioned that the block will have to be decked and I was also looking at the CA18 turbo pistons, they look a bit flat topped compared to the original VW 16v pistons. Do these pistons need to be machined in order to clear the valves or will they clear without any modifications to them too?
Please feel free to advice on any other engineering work that needs to be done on the block and pistons to fit the 16V head. Please also note that I am looking at building a mild 16V daily with throttles and not a full on race car.
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
KID'K wrote:Hi guys, I've recently acquired a 16valve KR head from a friend of mine. the head came complete with cams and Manifolds, I am currently working on a golf MK2 and I would like to fit this head on to a 2.0 ADY/2E/AGG Sub-assembly and Run it with an aftermarket EMU. I have done some research on the forum and to my understanding the head will be a direct fit on the block, no modification should be done to head for it to fit, the 8valve pistons have to be decked by 5mm or so to for valve clearance and the 8v distributor should not be removed from the block since it runs the oil pump on the 8V block, here are some things I would like to know about this conversion:
1. Since the 16v Head did not come with any of the pulleys from the KR Block will the 2E block’s pulleys work fine with this head without any modification. If not what should be done to the pulleys to accommodate this head? no you will need 16v pulleys on crank alt and waterpump and you need the 16v gear to fit on the crank.also the 16v and 8v intermediate shaft is not the same and cant use 8v shaft on 16v pump or the other around.to use the 8v pump setup you need to find a way to get the 16v shaft pulley on the 8v shaft then you wil be sorted...im busy with this and will let you know of a way around it
2. Since I'll be running EFI which fuel rail would be best to use on the Head, where can I get one at a reasonable price? Will the OEM (MP9) Injectors work perfectly with the 16V head or should I opt for bigger injectors for better performance? you can use the mp9 rail setup but it needs some work as the holes of the injectors dont lighn up or get a custom built one.
3. Which head gasket would be best for the conversion? victor heinz
4.I have also read on the forum that the 210mm spring centered copper clutch is the best clutch to use on a high revving motor with the FFZ gearbox, I would like to know how much am I looking at for the clutch and where can I get it from I'm based in Kempton Park. this i cant help you with as im going to run valeo kit with hopes it will be soft
Please feel free to advice on any other thing that needs to be done to the Head/Block to make this conversion work.
Many thanks
Metja
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Re: 2.0 Block with 16V KR Head
o yes before i forget if you decide to run the 16v oil pump and shaft then you will need the oil drive gear and thats not a easy find
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